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	<title>Comments on: Weeds</title>
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	<description>Mormonism, Evangelical Christianity &#38; More</description>
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		<title>By: Chelsea</title>
		<link>http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-1700</link>
		<dc:creator>Chelsea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but thankfully for them, I worship a God who sees love where everyone else sees weeds.&quot;

Sorry, I messed up the block quote. This is the sentiment I love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but thankfully for them, I worship a God who sees love where everyone else sees weeds.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, I messed up the block quote. This is the sentiment I love.</p>
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		<title>By: Chelsea</title>
		<link>http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-1699</link>
		<dc:creator>Chelsea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;but thankfully for them, I worship a God who sees love where everyone else sees weeds.&quot;&gt;

I love this sentiment.</description>
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<p>I love this sentiment.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bridget Jack Meyers</title>
		<link>http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-1698</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget Jack Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historically, no. Now though? Well, some evangelical churches are making the switch, and some aren&#039;t. At least in evangelical Christianity the option exists. 

I do believe Mormonism will eventually give women the priesthood. I just don&#039;t know how long it will take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historically, no. Now though? Well, some evangelical churches are making the switch, and some aren&#8217;t. At least in evangelical Christianity the option exists. </p>
<p>I do believe Mormonism will eventually give women the priesthood. I just don&#8217;t know how long it will take.</p>
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		<title>By: psychochemiker</title>
		<link>http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-1697</link>
		<dc:creator>psychochemiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Jack,
Nor do Evangelicals historically have much record on the sexism &quot;high ground.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Jack,<br />
Nor do Evangelicals historically have much record on the sexism &#8220;high ground.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget Jack Meyers</title>
		<link>http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-1696</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget Jack Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 04:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of have to agree with Kullervo. It&#039;s the same reason why I occasionally bag on the church for not ordaining women to the priesthood, even though I don&#039;t believe in the priesthood and have no interest in joining Mormonism. I care that the Mormons / Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses / Complementarian Protestants / Eastern Orthodox / Catholics don&#039;t give women the same opportunities they give men, even if I don&#039;t actually belong to those groups. The more outsiders have the attitude of &quot;not my church, not my problem,&quot; the longer it will take for these groups to reconsider their positions, because outsiders are the potential converts. 

That said though, I make an effort to point out that evangelical Christianity &lt;a href=&quot;http://markcares.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/no-blessings-without-obedience/#comment-2242&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;really doesn&#039;t have much high ground&lt;/a&gt; on the racism issue. It&#039;s not like we were treating blacks as equals from the beginning, and we&#039;re still healing our own racial divide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of have to agree with Kullervo. It&#8217;s the same reason why I occasionally bag on the church for not ordaining women to the priesthood, even though I don&#8217;t believe in the priesthood and have no interest in joining Mormonism. I care that the Mormons / Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses / Complementarian Protestants / Eastern Orthodox / Catholics don&#8217;t give women the same opportunities they give men, even if I don&#8217;t actually belong to those groups. The more outsiders have the attitude of &#8220;not my church, not my problem,&#8221; the longer it will take for these groups to reconsider their positions, because outsiders are the potential converts. </p>
<p>That said though, I make an effort to point out that evangelical Christianity <a href="http://markcares.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/no-blessings-without-obedience/#comment-2242" rel="nofollow">really doesn&#8217;t have much high ground</a> on the racism issue. It&#8217;s not like we were treating blacks as equals from the beginning, and we&#8217;re still healing our own racial divide.</p>
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		<title>By: Kullervo</title>
		<link>http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-1693</link>
		<dc:creator>Kullervo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I remember talking to a man of another faith who was both very opposed to the LDS church and also black. He was complaining about blacks not being allowed to hold the Priesthood. In the middle of his tirade I stopped him and said, “Sir, do you believe that the LDS church has been given authority from God to act in His name through the Priesthood?” His response was, “No, of course not!” To which I responded, “Then why does it bother you that the LDS church would not allow black men to hold a power that they (the church) do not have in the first place? In other words, if we don’t have the Priesthood, then why does it matter?” That stopped him short. He was still opposed to the church for many other reasons, but at least he stopped worrying about that one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Um, because it is racial discrimination.  Doesn;t matter if the priesthood is really God&#039;s power and authority.  It would bother people if any Church ordained clergy or not based on race, regardless if they thought that church was true or not, because it marginalizes the race within the Church&#039;s society, independent of whether it is supernaturally effacacious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I remember talking to a man of another faith who was both very opposed to the LDS church and also black. He was complaining about blacks not being allowed to hold the Priesthood. In the middle of his tirade I stopped him and said, “Sir, do you believe that the LDS church has been given authority from God to act in His name through the Priesthood?” His response was, “No, of course not!” To which I responded, “Then why does it bother you that the LDS church would not allow black men to hold a power that they (the church) do not have in the first place? In other words, if we don’t have the Priesthood, then why does it matter?” That stopped him short. He was still opposed to the church for many other reasons, but at least he stopped worrying about that one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Um, because it is racial discrimination.  Doesn;t matter if the priesthood is really God&#8217;s power and authority.  It would bother people if any Church ordained clergy or not based on race, regardless if they thought that church was true or not, because it marginalizes the race within the Church&#8217;s society, independent of whether it is supernaturally effacacious.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnsenclan &#187; links 5/9/09</title>
		<link>http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-1681</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnsenclan &#187; links 5/9/09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 04:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (on one of my favorite new religious blogs) gives her views on Mormons doing baptisms for the dead for people of other faiths, and the Church is investigating what it calls &#8220;a serious breach [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (on one of my favorite new religious blogs) gives her views on Mormons doing baptisms for the dead for people of other faiths, and the Church is investigating what it calls &#8220;a serious breach [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The dynamic of anti-Mormons and Mormons &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-1678</link>
		<dc:creator>The dynamic of anti-Mormons and Mormons &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] how I didn&#8217;t find what the deal was with baptism for the dead. And I&#8217;m so glad that Bridget Jack Meyers had such a great analogy for it. She, fortunately, understands the difference in being silly and being reasonable. Now [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] how I didn&#8217;t find what the deal was with baptism for the dead. And I&#8217;m so glad that Bridget Jack Meyers had such a great analogy for it. She, fortunately, understands the difference in being silly and being reasonable. Now [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Notes From All Over - for week ended May 9 &#124; Times &#38; Seasons, An Onymous Mormon Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes From All Over - for week ended May 9 &#124; Times &#38; Seasons, An Onymous Mormon Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 13:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “I told my LDS relatives they could go ahead and do ordinance work for me when I die. I think it&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: psychochemiker</title>
		<link>http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-1673</link>
		<dc:creator>psychochemiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 13:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirby&#039;s got a good take on this as 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_12317033&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; well. &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirby&#8217;s got a good take on this as<br />
<a href="http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_12317033" rel="nofollow"> well. </a></p>
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